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Dany Sirene creates goth characters

Today's second guest is fellow author Dany Sirene, talking about her love for Goth characters.


Writing Gloom - Creating goth and other alternative characters

My novel Fire Play mainly takes place in the goth scene. Why? Well, to put it simply... author appeal! What is sexier than cute tattooed boys with eyeliner and piercings in interesting places living, loving and angsting over each other? I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks so. When you’ve been around that scene for nearly ten years like me, writing alternative characters is easy enough. So I thought I’d share some pointers.

The number one reason I love writing goth characters (after the eyeliner) is the sheer freedom it allows me. Thing is, you can pretty much take all known gender stereotypes and throw them out the window. These are men who are not afraid to get emotional or strut on a runway in a skirt and corset for an underground designer’s fashion show. The lines of gender-specific appearance are gleefully blurred, and a straight-as-an-arrow man who takes longer doing his makeup than his girlfriend is not uncommon.

This, of course, tells you something right there about the background of your vinyl-skirt-sporting, long-haired goth boy character. Chances are, he had quite a tough time in school. Perhaps he was one of the geeks, involved in arts, music, or just playing lots of D&D and Vampire: the Masquerade with his friends. And his parents were probably not the most understanding: a goth girl is one thing, but a guy dyeing his hair black and wearing makeup is unfortunately more likely to get parents worked up. He might come from a bad background, have abusive parents or a very difficult personal history, but not necessarily. Most goths are pretty well-adjusted.

The grown-up goth likes to experiment—some experiments are more harmless than others. Since there is less stigma among goths, he’d have absolutely no problem with trying different things with different people, if you know what I mean. Quite a few goths (boys and girls) consider themselves proudly bisexual. A lot of them are also involved in the fetish community, be it for the kink or the style. In a big city there might be a subculture-specific nightclub or bar, even several, but usually there is a goth night in a regular nightclub (Le Chat Noir from Fire Play is purely fictional, in Montreal there are only alternative nights at the moment). These nights are what the scene revolves around. Naturally, where everyone knows everyone (and often in the most intimate fashion) there will be conflict, aka drama. This can and should be used to your advantage when creating your characters.

A few other things to keep in mind when writing your characters and their surroundings:

Music is a serious business in that scene. Goths are quite possibly the most picky and hard-to please bunch. The foundations of the style lie in the 80’s, with groups such as Bauhaus, sisters of Mercy and The Cure being considered quintessential goth listening. But of course styles have evolved, and now what you’ll hear on a typical club night is more aggressive electronic and industrial sounds. Mainstays include VNV Nation, Combichrist, Front 242, Icon of Coil... I could go on, it all depends on the DJ and the crowd.

The younger goths don’t take themselves quite as seriously as the “purists” of the beginnings of the scene in the 80’s and 90’s. Color is now not only allowed but encouraged—gone are the days of midnight black velvet and lace, and neon green, pink and silver are in favour. Fashions vary from cyber to Lolita to post-punk to whatever-was-clean. The classic old-school style seems to be pretty much gone—but it might be too soon to say. The goth subculture is uncannily good at coming back from the dead, and is it really surprising?

One of my favourite depictions of goths in literature is Silk by Kaitlin Kiernan. Poppy Z. Brite’s Lost Souls also features goth characters, plus loads of drama, angst, and vampire/horror elements. Anne Rice’s vampire books pretty much laid the foundation for the goth aesthetic. And for a glimpse of the subculture, try The Goth Bible by Nancy Kilpatrick. (Amazon link: Here). It doesn’t cover everything (after all, goth fashion, like most fashion, constantly evolves) but you’ll get a good feel for the attitudes and the atmosphere of the scene.


Dany Sirene lives in Montreal. She now mainly spends her clubbing nights at home by the computer, writing about freaks, misfits and outcasts. Occasionally, though, she does give in to the urge to dust off her platform boots.

More on Dany’s blogs: Blogger / LiveJournal / Goodreads

Find Fire Play, a paranormal romance set in the goth scene, HERE.

Fire demiurge Lau had it made until the Mother Goddess banished him for his cruel treatment of humans. Now he’s stuck in a mortal life, trying to cope without his powers—mainly by partying hard and seducing anything with a heartbeat.

Then he meets Jesse Warner.

College student Jesse is new to Montreal. Out from under his parents’ thumbs for the first time, he can’t wait to begin to discover who he really is. He has no idea what’s really at stake when he falls in love with the former demiurge... until a powerful being with a grudge shows up, ready to destroy them both.

credit for pictures: bauhaus and ameimmortelle, copyright through their producers, gothboy by myspacebarn.com, gothboypurple (second life) by second-man.com


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( 8 comments — Leave a comment )
Jan. 11th, 2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
Montreal has goth nights? I wonder if Ottawa does? *waves at Dany who she can almost see from here*

I do find boys with eye liner swoon worthy. However I would likely never attempt to write someone seriously into the goth culture because I'd be lost. And as you said, everything old is new again, so I'm sure the older fashions will come back into style when everyone tires of the current stuff.

I'll definitely have to pick up your book because I love anything set in Canada and of course cities I've visited even more.
Jan. 11th, 2012 03:36 pm (UTC)
*waves* Hey!
Just did a quick search out of sheer curiosity and found this: http://www.facebook.com/groups/2309528986/
Will have to check it out now. For research purposes only, of course. Not to gawk. No sirree. :)
And yes, we definitely need more books set in Canada! It's unfortunately underrated.
Jan. 11th, 2012 05:04 pm (UTC)
I've been witness to a meeting of the newer crowd and some older purists. LOL. Thanks for the link to Fireplay. :)
Jan. 11th, 2012 07:37 pm (UTC)
I know, LOL indeed! And you're welcome :)
Jan. 11th, 2012 07:19 pm (UTC)
I like that reading and writing fiction lets me experience all the things I loved about goth without me needing to struggle into a pair of fishnets. Thanks for this lovely post! I think you hit the nail on the head of the "we'll try anything! Yay, eyeliner!" attitude that was rampant in 80's-90's goth Chicago.
Jan. 11th, 2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
"I like that reading and writing fiction lets me experience all the things I loved about goth without me needing to struggle into a pair of fishnets." Oh... I agree so much. The fishnets. Or the drama. :) It's interesting how the styles have evolved, and the attitude is still there. It's a fun scene when it doesn't take itself too seriously.
Jan. 11th, 2012 11:59 pm (UTC)
Younger son had a goth phase at about 13 - including black hair dye, nail varnish and eyeliner facepaint. His school was surprisingly accomodating and he didn't get sent home or made to remove his make-up. I think the lack of reaction took some of the shine off it for him.

The goth phase has long gone and seven years later Brat is trying retro/rockabilly. The phases tend to change with the girlfriends I've noticed.

I do like men with eyeliner and I might be ready to read about them now without flashbacks to Brat... It isn't good when your m/m romance hero reminds you of your son. *grin*
Jan. 12th, 2012 01:16 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, there was that Emo thing a few years ago, and it was all over the place, so I guess everyone just got used to it. I mostly think it's a good thing, though.
As for men in eyeliner, it's a time-honored tradition rooted in '70's punk, and now gaining ground with indie rock. So we may rejoice, it's here to stay!
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